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lowridermike63  POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Viersen, Germany |
posted 01-04-2014 10:16 AM
    
at first: Happy new year all Prowler-fans. And now my Problem: My front arm lower on the right side, is broken (the ball comes out from the mounting/holder). On left side is the rubber broken, so it could be that this mounting will also break. My question is: must I have the complete Suspension-arm, or can I only the part change, with the spherical- head srew and his mounting with a power press? And where can I buy the parts? In the manuals-book, the part number are: ARM, Control 04786562 Lower Right and ARM, Control 04786563 Lower Left I make a Foto, what you can see here:  |
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Gort Prowler Junkie From:Clinton Tn,USA |
posted 01-04-2014 11:04 AM
Maybe it's time to go with chrome. When you find the parts choose option 1 or 2 just a thought This message has been edited by Gort on 01-04-2014 at 11:05 AM |
toys     POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:kensington Conn, USA |
posted 01-04-2014 12:28 PM
Have you checked to see if the ball joint recall was done?? Try this site go to recalls This message has been edited by toys on 01-04-2014 at 12:39 PM |
ed monahan               POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 01-04-2014 12:36 PM
There was a recall on the lower ball joint, BUT I don't know if that is enforced in Europe. You can get the part from the dealer. Do a search for ball joint replacement for more info. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004804.html If you can't get the part over there, let me know and I will order one and send it to you. This message has been edited by ed monahan on 01-04-2014 at 12:39 PM |
DublinOH POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:McMurray, Pa, USA |
posted 01-04-2014 01:23 PM
This should serve as another reminder to those who have not had the ball joint recall performed. |
catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 01-04-2014 02:07 PM
i would repace the complete arm assembly,hopefully not discontinued yet.mopar only or used.your current arm is junk.over 1000.00 for a new arm from mopar if not discontinued.a recall applies to all cars built no matter where they are located.the recall most likely wasnt done on this one.your ins.co will cover that damage. ------------------ This message has been edited by catfish on 01-04-2014 at 03:11 PM |
GaryE POA Site Supporter and Vendor Prowler JunkieProwler Products by Gary From:Laguna Woods, CA, USA |
posted 01-04-2014 06:32 PM
First do not get in any hurry. It looks like the ball joint separated. If that is the case all you need to do is replace the lower ball joint. I have them in stock if you cannot get them anywhere else. You need to have a mechanic remove the nut from the ball joint. Then press the ball join out of the knuckle. Do not hammer it out. Also remove the remaining part of the ball joint from the a-arm. I would be very surprised if the a-arm is damaged in a way it cannot be used. Contact me if you need any additional assistance. ------------------ |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 01-04-2014 06:45 PM
you would not replace the arm,cmon look at it,and its most likely scraped on the undeside also.replace the arm your ins.co will pay for it.if you dont i wouldnt trust it.the arm is damaged.thats why you have ins.glad youre not working on my car. ------------------ This message has been edited by catfish on 01-04-2014 at 06:46 PM |
beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 01-04-2014 06:54 PM
Looks like the pushrod is cracked in the picture. |
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GaryE POA Site Supporter and Vendor Prowler JunkieProwler Products by Gary From:Laguna Woods, CA, USA |
posted 01-04-2014 07:09 PM
First Catfish I do not want to get in a argument with you. I have been in the suspension business for a long time. I just said do not get in a hurry and determine the total damage first. If he has insurance that will pay for everything that is the way to go. No insurance, then slow down and see what damage is done. And yes it looks like the strut is cracked, suggesting something more could be wrong. This message has been edited by GaryE on 01-04-2014 at 07:11 PM |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 01-04-2014 07:59 PM
Once it is disassembled you will know what parts need to be replaced. |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 01-04-2014 08:39 PM
well gary ive been in the collision industry for at least 40 yrs.it has visible damage replace it,if not discontinued.its a suspension part that gets a whole bunch of pressure and movement and stress.id replace the knuckle also if it has any kind of damage. ------------------ |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 01-04-2014 08:48 PM
My question may be unrelated....
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Gort Prowler Junkie From:Clinton Tn,USA |
posted 01-04-2014 08:53 PM
I think Catfish and Gary both make sense. Take it slow and check all the damaged parts out carefully ... great advice from Gary. But, you can bet you're last dime the insurance company be carefully looking at your rates in the future if you make a claim. Why not just let them shotgun the car with new parts. A Prowler has the front suspension just hanging in wide open space waiting to be damaged, even more so if you remove the bumpers. My advise is have more than one opinion. Let someone in your area that does nothing but suspension work look at the car. I'd bet they come up with a different dollar estimate. I'd go for the chrome plated exchange if I had to take it all apart anyway. This message has been edited by Gort on 01-04-2014 at 08:56 PM |
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Gort Prowler Junkie From:Clinton Tn,USA |
posted 01-04-2014 09:06 PM
quote: I'd guess most recalls are never done. If you buy the car used how would you know. I asked about recalls at the dealer and they looked it up.I'd say most people don't do that. I think the insurance co. would have to pay regardless. They looked at the car and ran the serial number before they accepted the risk of issuing a policy. |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 01-04-2014 10:13 PM
a recall has nothing to do with it.this car was not sitting still when it broke,so theres a pretty good chance the underside of the arm has damage you cant see.chances of the ins. co knowing the was a recall probably zero.most likely it was never taken in for the recall,thats why it broke,there are most likely more cats out there that have never had the recall done.a ins co has no way of knowing if a recall was done or not done.ins co do not have direct access to car makers database.they would have to call a dealer and have them do it.ins cos dont care about recalls. ------------------ This message has been edited by catfish on 01-04-2014 at 10:16 PM |
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beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 01-04-2014 10:51 PM
I don't see why an insurance company would pay for a broken suspension part. It's a wear item, just like brakes, steering etc. Also, if you have a vehicle that has been recalled and you don't fix the recall then if you have an accident and it is due your failure in fixing the recalled part, then you could be held responsible for the damages. The insurance company has easy access to whether the recall was done or not. And yes they do care and will use that info to weasle out of paying. |
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Gort Prowler Junkie From:Clinton Tn,USA |
posted 01-04-2014 11:33 PM
I think the insurance company assumes the car as it is presented at the time of coverage date. They don't have to insure the car.There are many reasons the insurance co. could refuse to cover any vehicle at a normal rate. They grade the car by condition and risk. If your car has a mechanical failure and causes you to lose control and wreck,you would be covered. If the police write you a ticket for having no brakes due to wear,that would be quite different. |
idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 01-05-2014 04:04 AM
Keep in mind that the recall work was done ONLY to the arms ON CARS. Buying another arm, you would have to have THAT ball joint replaced with the new ball joint. If the recall was done on your car, and the new ball joint failed, NHTSA should be notified of this. This message has been edited by idive on 01-05-2014 at 04:05 AM |
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lowridermike63 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Viersen, Germany |
posted 01-05-2014 05:38 AM
Thank you for your quick feedback . A great forum . I have no warranty . unless I had bought the car from a dealer. But then he would be € 4,000 more expensive. Then I would have under German law, 12 month guarantee . Recall there was not , as the Prowler was not officially sold in Germany . And if so, only immediately after the recall , without transport costs and without service exchanged for remuneration . I am only driven from the garage . it happened after only 2 m. the wheel suspension has fallen into the rim bed . not to the street . So at the wheel suspension nothing happened. At the pushrod on right of the photo is not a crack . it is an oil trail of teflon spray . I have written to the Prowlerstore.com . since the pair Plymouth Prowler is offered Front Lower Ball Joints for $ 139 . Since I still want to buy a few parts there. Hydraulic presses for the parts we have here in a few workshops . I hope I can also answer questions on issues here in a year, if I am versed better. I wish all a happy and enjoyable New Year. Thank you very much for your help. And excuse my " google translate english "  And to GaryE : Thank you for your offer , I will definitely buy parts from you in the next time.This message has been edited by lowridermike63 on 01-05-2014 at 05:40 AM |
silverkat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:upstate NY |
posted 01-05-2014 06:28 AM
quote: Very respectfully they wouldn't. I speak from experience. Good call A/C. |
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ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 01-05-2014 07:01 AM
"Very respectfully they wouldn't. I speak from experience." Thanks for the reply Dave.......I'm now afraid to ask about your experience. You are not required to describe the incident, if you aren't comfortable with posting it,,,I'd understand. |
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silverkat POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:upstate NY |
posted 01-05-2014 07:26 AM
quote: No Larry nothing like that. I was an outside Claim Rep. for many years, then a Supv., a Mgr. before I got smart and went back on the road. So ins. claims I know. There's no coverage here for this. Only way there would be if you had collision and car was involved in an accident. Also if you had an accident w/another party and they were liable you could collect from that source. this would be considered wear and tear or maintainance take your pick and no ins. co. would pay on this. Under what part of the policy would you file a claim? Would ins. co. pay if your muffler fell off? No. |
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quincy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fairfield Glade, TN. USA |
posted 01-06-2014 06:23 PM
Good advise from many good members. Please make sure to replace the other ball joint as well. Nasty failure. Could have been a disaster if driving fast or pulling some G forces. The spring/shock push rod end does appear to be cracked. I have never heard of an insurance company paying for failed components. Extended warranty perhaps yes, car insurance, don't believe so. |
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lowridermike63 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Viersen, Germany |
posted 01-25-2014 10:11 AM
The Prowler is running again, the parts fit and it has saved me € 2000, because it would only complete the arms here in Germany. Thanks to Gary E. Perfect!!! ------------------ |
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