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LAwil  POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Southern Calif. |
posted 07-12-2009 07:57 PM
    
The car is cranking but not turning over? Neighbor put the battery on a trickle charge and is now @ 14 but still motor not turning over. Could it be a bad starter? If it is, where is it located and what auto part store would you recommend I get one? I have been having problems starting the car for about a month but this is due to loose connection on the positive connector and I had to just play with it to make sure I had a good connection and it start right up. (symptom to this loose connection was just, it was not doing anything..NO PoWER, Period) Today, I decided I would replace the connector with a new one and it was all good and tight and thought I've solved my problem, but all of a sudden, it won't start. Again, it cranks but not turning over. Thanks in advance for your help. Will ------------------ |
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onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 07-12-2009 09:17 PM
Not quite sure what you mean by cranking but not turning over... If the car cranks (the engine spins) but doesn't run I would have to check the fuel pressure at the intake plenum... If the car cranks but doesn't fire could be the fuel pump... Takes 3 things to make them run... Compression, Fuel, Spark.. Call me Will and lets talk about it if you like... John at 720-934-3540 |
ALLEY CAT                   POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 07-12-2009 09:25 PM
"it cranks but not turning over" Will, The starter and the engine are both turning over? Or is it just the starter making a spinning noise, and the engine isn't cranking over? If the starter and engine are turning over but not starting right up,,,I first usually think its a fuel pump related problem. ********************************************************* Since you changed the end connection to the positive wiring cable today,,,,I'm thinking there might be a problem somewhere along that line. The positive cable harness is a complex run of wires to many areas of the car's electronic components,,,,and maybe something isn't right? Hopefully, Neal, Marvin, or MD will chine in,,,they usually have a idea of what/where the problem might be located... |
enzvoy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Pittsboro, North Carolina, United States |
posted 07-13-2009 10:37 AM
I'm having the same problem , when cold the car starts right up , when engine is hot it takes a couple of times to start . sounds like engine is flooded. the car runs fine after that. |
d'niro Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio TX, USA |
posted 07-13-2009 01:58 PM
Will, You may want to upgrade your fuel pump (I'm not saying this may be your problem - however, my kat started acting the same way about month & half ago) I upgraded the fuel pump and now it start right up. Order the pump from APE. GCA761 (255 ltr/hr high pressure kit for Neon) 1ea $115.50 Nic |
idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 07-13-2009 02:22 PM
enzvoy - common fuel pump issue. Needs replacement The pump d'niro is refering to is a neon pump. It will work, but with modifications to the pump. There is a step by step thread with pictures on this modification by onecatnodog. Look for something like the farmers fuel pump fix. That pump is alot cheaper than the stock pump, and more readily available. |
BeWare POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Acworth , Georgia , USA |
posted 07-13-2009 03:01 PM
I have always understood that cranking and turning over mean the same thing. When you turn the key the starter engages the flywheel and then spins and "cranks" aka "turns over" the engine until it starts. If the starter spins but does not crank the engine is a bad solenoid in the starter. If the engine cranks but won't start then it is another issues. Possibly no fuel as others have suggested. |
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LAwil POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Southern Calif. |
posted 07-13-2009 05:46 PM
Sorry for all the confusions. When I said that it cranks, it makes tik, tik, tik, sound but does not actually start which is ( what I'm referring to when I say "turn over" ). I'm really puzzled cause car always started and was just a loose connection. I know it is not the fuel pump. ------------------ |
TLRandall POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:CALDWELL, TX, US |
posted 07-13-2009 06:51 PM
Ticking but nothing is actually turning? Bad ground or a bad battery, even if the battery is charged, it can still have a bad cell or short. If you have replaced the battery, then trace your ground wire to the frame and your power wire to the Power Distribution Box. That's about all it could be. I don't know about Southern Cal right now, but this heat in Texas is murder to batteries. The two that power the 48 foot trailer, and the one that powers the small trailer are shot because of the month of 100+ we have had. ------------------ |
binster POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:cary, north carolina, usa |
posted 07-13-2009 06:52 PM
Get your battery tested.. That would be my guess |
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LAwil POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Southern Calif. |
posted 07-13-2009 07:03 PM
3 guys so far say the battery, hope your'll right. My neighbor and Beware says Starter w/ bad solenoid in the starter, here we go again with the process of elimination. I'm off to Sears now to get this battery checked and possibly replaced. Thanks y'all Will ------------------ This message has been edited by LAwil on 07-23-2009 at 01:26 PM |
phil2237 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:PLACENTIA CALIFORNIA |
posted 07-13-2009 07:16 PM
If you are hearing a ticking noise while turning the key to start, that is the starter selinoid not getting enough power to engage it. Bad battery or cable connection...... |
catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 07-13-2009 07:16 PM
tick,tick=bad batt,bad connection,bad starter,one of those,solenoid is part of starter.fyi.prowler batt cables,are steel,if youve had to loosen,to unhook for whatever reason,tend to stretch,where the bolt goes thru.,when you retighten them,they stretch,after a few times,even though the bolt is as tight as it will go,its loose.the pos.cable is not replaceable thru mopar,its part of the 900.00 wire loom,part only.because its loose it can be fixed.donot cut the old end off and replace w/a a,m,youre asking for corroision problems,down the road.instead remove cable ,clean and make 2- 1/4 inch wide steel shims,about1 inch top to bottom.spread cable apart where it goes over post,take 2 shims install on post and tap cable in place,it will be plenty tight.to avoid stretching the cable,do not overtighten. ------------------ |
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TLRandall POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:CALDWELL, TX, US |
posted 07-13-2009 07:18 PM
Will, how old is the battery? The trickle charger won't be enough to fully recharge it if it is down. This message has been edited by TLRandall on 07-13-2009 at 07:20 PM |
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BeWare POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Acworth , Georgia , USA |
posted 07-13-2009 07:30 PM
Go with the battery and the cables first. |
Larry Lord Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Colton, CA |
posted 07-13-2009 07:38 PM
Try jumper cables before you make a trip anywhere. This will normally bypass both low battery and cable terminal connection issues. If it starts with booster cables, it's either the battery or faulty a connection. |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 07-13-2009 08:08 PM
will,one more thing.on the starter there is one wire at top of starter aolenoid,that was loose on mine,it doesnt fit real tight from the get go.it snaps onto prong on solenoid.ck,to make sure its tight and clean,if loose,slightly bend prong on solenoid and snap back on. ------------------ |
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enzvoy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Pittsboro, North Carolina, United States |
posted 07-13-2009 09:55 PM
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LAwil POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Southern Calif. |
posted 07-13-2009 11:11 PM
Here is the update; just got back from Sears and the Gold battery is in good condition but was offered if I wanted a replacement New, all I had to do was pay the pro-rated diff.( payed the diff and got a new one) It is now 9:00pm so I will look into changing out the starter tomorrow. Has anyone ever made this attempt? Got under the car and removed 2 nuts from the shield but still unable to remove shield to get to the darn starter? What do you all expect from a novice? pLEASE HELP. Will look @ the cable where it connects to the starter as catfish suggested, if I could ever get to it. Seems like murphy's law is at work here. After the trans problem, now this. It's got me worried about attending any immediate prowler events, unless it's Tech Day, lol. My confidence on the car is a little shot right now. wILL ------------------ |
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idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 07-14-2009 12:31 AM
With the battery being good, the starter should kick out the solenoid ONCE into the flywheel and then the starter would try to turn over the engine. If it does not turn over, the solenoid is good but the starter is bad. If when you turn the key (good battery) and you hear several clicks, thats the solenoid kicking out and going back in repeatedly. Solenoid is bad. Some solenoids are a part of the starter and not replaceable separately. I don't know if Prowler starters/solenoids are this type or not. |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 07-14-2009 09:29 AM
you have to replace starter,solenoid is not available seperate.im assuming you checked cables also.you will have to slide starter out,if you want to remove shield.3rd bolt for shield is on top,of starter. ------------------ This message has been edited by catfish on 07-14-2009 at 10:01 AM |
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onecatnodog Prowler Junkie From:arvada,co,usa |
posted 07-14-2009 05:27 PM
Check the hot lead to the alt... Checks cost nothing, just changing parts can and will add up $$$$$... onecatnodog |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 07-14-2009 06:58 PM
one cat is right,i kind of forgot about it,the lead is a fusible link and if it for some reason gets hot,it can cause the same problem.it wll turn very brown if it gets to hot,check it.the links come in different resistance,if you need one,make sure you get the same link. ------------------ This message has been edited by catfish on 07-14-2009 at 07:03 PM |
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LAwil POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Southern Calif. |
posted 07-14-2009 10:33 PM
Thanks for all the input. Could not get to the car today. Tomorrow is another day. Thanks Onecatnodog for your time on the phone today. The prowler owners knowledge is very humbling and appreciated. ------------------ |
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LAwil POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Southern Calif. |
posted 07-16-2009 07:35 PM
Correction: Problem solved. Replaced the previous "GOOD" battery per ( my neighbor and Sears diagnostic ) with the new replacement battery and the car fired right up. Drove the vehicle to my mechanic and had the starter checked and was told that it was O.K. Thanks for all your input everybody. This site is so awesome when it comes to resources and just plain good people. ------------------ |
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