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The Hurse Prowler Newbie From:newport news, va |
posted 11-22-2005 06:19 AM
    
Calling all fellow car enthusiast!! I need some serious help!! I am a proud 2005 Dodge Magnum SXT owner, but I cant find any headers. Then in a brilliant flash of thunder, it dawned on me....................the v-6 mag and the prowlers are using the same engine. SO VOILA!!!!!! Here I am, at the mercy of all you fine Kat owners, asking.........better yet begging you for some information on where I might be able to get a set of customer headers, or at least a name of a person that could help me out.  Thanks fellaz, |
ed monahan                    POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 11-22-2005 06:46 AM
Dean at Prowler Pro. I think the website is www.prowlerpro.com but I am not sure. Someone will chime in with the correct address later today if that is not correct. This message has been edited by ed monahan on 11-22-2005 at 06:48 AM |
WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 11-22-2005 07:07 AM
DEAN AT PROWLERPRO IS YOUR MAN. WWW.PROWLERPRO.COM ------------------ |
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RPL POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Rochester Hills, MI, USA |
posted 11-22-2005 08:26 AM
Stainless Works out of the Cleveland area also makes a high quality header for the 3.5. They tend to extend away from the block. Paxton made a set that were tighter to the block. I believe that Marty Usher and Mike Krehel have tried a set of the Stainless Works headers. Regardless, they can custom fit a set to your car. Their number is 800-878-3635. |
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The Hurse Prowler Newbie From:newport news, va |
posted 11-22-2005 09:01 AM
Thanks for all of the quick replies. Keep 'em coming!! I am definitely going to get on the horn with Dean from ProwlerPro, I see a lot of you speak highly of him and his work, so that means a lot to me being as how this is going to be a custom job. Thanks again..............here are few clips of what I have going on right now. Single Original 40 series flowmasters, w/stainless steel resonated tip. The video quality isn't all that, but you can hear it.  |
Marty Usher POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:San Antonio, Texas, United States |
posted 11-22-2005 09:22 AM
quote: Stainless Works fabricated the headers for Westech. Gary Archer has a set and at least one of Mike K's cars does also. Mine are from an earlier supplier and are made of smaller diameter tubing. Gary's set seemed to amke a difference on the top end speed in the 1/4 mile at the track when he rqaced Bob Goetz. SW is located in Chagrin Falls in between Cleveland and Akron. |
Marc-Colo-99 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Aurora, Colorado |
posted 11-22-2005 08:12 PM
Hey Hurse You're on the right track talking to Dean at Prowler Pro, if he's not sure if his Prowler headers will fit he will find an answer for ya. Dean developed his headers in partership with Bellanger who makes 'em for Vipers, Corvettes, Ferraris and almost any high performance set up. You can't beat their precision and performance with their velocity cone headers and collectors. Do a search for Bellanger Headers and you'll get an idea of how satisfied their customers are. |
Chromer POA Site Supporter With Jack the Wonder Dog - Official POA Mascot Personal ScrapBook From:Denver, Colorado, USA |
posted 11-25-2005 07:13 AM
Hurse-ALL I'm pretty sure the '05 magnum 3.5 V-6 is totally different from the '02 Prowler 3.5 V-6 and the headers built for Prowlers are NOT interchangable with Magnums?? |
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The Hurse Prowler Newbie From:newport news, va |
posted 11-25-2005 08:59 AM
I dont know about that, after doing some research, it turns out that the only difference between the prowler 3.5 and the mag 3.5 is induction systems and some tuning. They are both the 2nd gen 3.5L aluminum blocks with aluminum heads. The only problem that I forsee happening with the headers is clearance issues, i.e. does the prowler block sit higher, lower than the mag, tranny clearance, ya know, things like that. Im kind of figuring that the Prowler headers are pretty tight fitting to the block because of the kinda narrow front end that is on you guys kat's. IMO though because I have never had to the pleasure to be that close to a prowler. Anyway someone just hit me up other day with a pair of used paxton headers, so I might just buy those to test for fitment and if they fit............wooooooooo hoooooooooo!!!!!!!!, but if not, looks like I will have some more items to put on ebay, and then I will be shipping my mag somewhere to have the headers custom fit. BTW - the site that I found the specs for the 3.5 is www.allpar.com. |
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WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 11-25-2005 11:13 AM
THIS IS WHAT THE HEADERS LOOK LIKE http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/001192.html ------------------ |
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The Hurse Prowler Newbie From:newport news, va |
posted 11-25-2005 03:24 PM
WayNew, nice pics, thanks for the info. You are the sh!!! |
catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 11-25-2005 07:43 PM
for your info.the 3.5 prowler motor and the 3.5 magnum are not the same motor.totally different.as far as headers from a prowler 3.5 fitting,nada. ------------------ |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 11-25-2005 07:44 PM
the prowler 3.5 is an etirely different motor than the 3.5 magnum. ------------------ |
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The Hurse Prowler Newbie From:newport news, va |
posted 11-26-2005 11:20 AM
Ok, can someone tell me how the prowler 3.5 and the magnum 3.5 are different? because from all the reading that i can find, they are both using 2nd gen DCX motors. whats diff about them? |
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WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 11-26-2005 02:34 PM
Call Dean at Prowlerpro, If they do not fit from a prowler he can make you a custom set. |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 11-26-2005 03:21 PM
the intake, heads, and block, are totally different.find a prowler and open the hood and you will see the difference,i dont know the specs,both 3.5 yet different. ------------------ |
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WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 11-26-2005 04:54 PM
Sound to me like they are the same, only different! If they are the same only, only different, |
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The Hurse Prowler Newbie From:newport news, va |
posted 11-26-2005 11:17 PM
alright, i knew that the intake was different, but I didnt know the heads were different. Different block all together? How so? I think I like Way's idea, can i get some pics of a prowler block from someone and I'll take some pics of mine tomorrow. Thanks............ |
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WAYNEW Prowler Junkie From:HOUSTON, TEXAS, USA |
posted 11-27-2005 07:54 AM
quote: I CAN SEND PHOTO'S ON MONDAY, AS MY PROWLER IS STORED AT THE WAGNER MEDIA WORLD HEADQUARTERS. I WILL TRY TO SEND THE SAME ANGLE AS YOUR PHOTO, PLEASE TAKE MORE THANK ONE. |
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The Hurse Prowler Newbie From:newport news, va |
posted 11-27-2005 08:33 AM
Thanks Way, I am going to take some on Monday being as how I have to do the family thing today.  I wish I had access to a lift so I could get some undercarriage shots, but I will try and make do with what I have. |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 11-29-2005 08:02 AM
I asked a tech yesterday about the 3.5L motor differences. He recently attended a DC training school on the motors. What he told me,,,,,he believes the block is the same as the Prowler, but nearly everything else is different>>> heads, intake, exhaust, etc. He referred to the new 3.5L motor as an "interference motor",,,,,meaning if the timing belt goes,,,so does the water pump and the motor's entire valve train  Whereas with our 3.5L motor,,,,when the timing belt goes out, we could lose the water pump also,,,but not the valve train >>> all fixable.
This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 11-29-2005 at 08:12 PM |
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WESTECH DRIVER Prowler Enthusiast From:INGLESIDE, ILLINOIS USA |
posted 11-29-2005 09:49 AM
The heads are different from the Prowler but the spacing and port location is the same. The only problem you may run into is clearances for accessories. Mike's 5.0 Stroker is using 1 5/8" primaries, and Marty's has 1 1/2". We saw no difference on the dyno with either set. Feel free to call me with any questions. 262-889-4346 Jim. |
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catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 11-29-2005 07:56 PM
the 3.5 dc motor inc.the block is different..the 05/06 dc,3.5 for one thing the oil filter is in the frt.of the engine.therefore its a different block ,the intake is different,the heads are different.hard to send phots of a prowler 3.5 when you cant see the frt.of the engine w/o taking the frt,end apart.if somebody has photos of the 3.5 prowler out of the car please post them so he can see the diffrerence.they are not the same engine!maybe you can find a prowler in va.he can show you the difference.
This message has been edited by jan bruggeman on 11-29-2005 at 08:01 PM |
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Maybe one of our gearheads - Prowlrman, Quincy, Butchchee, etc,,,,,,,can further explain the above?
