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Kid Rock
Prowler Junkie

Posts: 132
From: Monroe, Michigan
Registered: JUN 2002

posted 03-13-2003 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kid Rock     
Wooooooooooooow...

Glad your already, Mom just shuttered when I told her.

Mom said all of us need to call DC and express our concerns.

JP, any pictures, this is good ammo.

Kid Rock

record
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Posts: 67
From: Wichita, KS, USA
Registered: DEC 2002

posted 03-13-2003 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for record     
Just JP - Was the repair any different from the factory install? Were original OEM parts installed or were the parts redesigned or replaced with different OEM parts? In otherwords, is there any advantage to visiting the dealership if there isn't a recall that corrects the problem?

By the way, I enjoyed the comment someone made about taking his ex-wife for a long ride! Needed a laugh.

Richard Jackson
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posted 03-13-2003 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Jackson     
Don't waste your time on that phone call. I just got off the phone with Allen Walker from DC and they never heard of any problems with the Prowler and he asked me what I wanted him to do about it. I said that I wanted him to see if anyone had heard of this problem, and he said that he had no information and he was sorry.

A better phone call would be to the NHTSA, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/complaintsearch.cfm

Richard

This message has been edited by Richard Jackson on 03-13-2003 at 01:35 PM

Black Tie 161
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posted 03-13-2003 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Black Tie 161     
Hopefully with only 3,500 miles on mine, I have time for the recall to come out....

(crosses fingers)

JRL
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From: Devon, Pa. USA
Registered: SEP 2001

posted 03-13-2003 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JRL     
Happend to be at my Chrysler dealer for another matter and asked service about the recall.
The service guy said he had read something about it and proceeded to go into the computer and nothing is there at all for any year Kat regarding the ball joint recall.
He looked for about 10 minutes and was thorough.
JRL


Marty Usher
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From: San Antonio, Texas
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posted 03-13-2003 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Usher     
quote:
Originally posted by JUST JP:
Beware,
The only warning I can give is that the steering got tight and didn't want to go to center by itself. Also, 5 days ago, noticed squealing noise coming from the suspension.

JP - Can you post a time frame/mileage on the symptoms? How long/how many miles ago did the steering get tight? Did not want to center occur at same time? On the squealing noise - again how many miles. Was squealing just over bumps, on turns?

Just trying to be sure I (we) can recognize possible symptoms, while waiting for recall and scheduling repairs in April.

Thanks

Marty

This message has been edited by Marty Usher on 03-13-2003 at 06:50 PM

CJ
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posted 03-13-2003 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CJ     
quote:
Don't waste your time on that phone call. I just got off the phone with Allen Walker from DC and they never heard of any problems with the Prowler and he asked me what I wanted him to do about it. I said that I wanted him to see if anyone had heard of this problem, and he said that he had no information and he was sorry.


As I posted a while back, this article was in the Friday, February 14, 2003 issue of the DaimlerChrysler Employee News Daily..........

quote:
"The Chrysler Group is also recalling 11,655 1997-2002 Chrysler and Plymouth Prowlers to replace the lower ball joint on the front suspension to prevent it from potentially separating from the control arm due to corrosion."

Obviously, they are aware of the problem and will be issuing a recall notice with regard to the problem.


I also found this on the Chrysler.com site:

quote:
Chrysler and Plymouth Prowler Recall Announced 2/14/2003
Front Control Lower Ball Joint – 1997-2002 Chrysler and Plymouth Prowlers

1997-2002 Chrysler and Plymouth Prowlers are affected by the recall. These vehicles will receive a redesigned and improved front suspension ball joint. The original lower ball joint was found to be susceptible to corrosion.

The company will begin mailing letters to customers affected by the recall in April, 2003.

If you have already experienced the problem described above and have paid to have it repaired, you may send your original receipts and/or other adequate proof of payment to the following: DaimlerChrysler Customer Assistance Center, P.O. Box 1040, St. Charles, MO 63302-1040, Attention: Reimbursement.

We trust this answers any questions you may have on this recall.

Document ID: NOBRD152852


Please note that this notice on their site states they will be mailing the recall notices in April, 2003

This message has been edited by CJ on 03-13-2003 at 06:44 PM

JUST JP
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posted 03-13-2003 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JUST JP     
UPDATE:

First,
Thanks to all that have posted. Be aware, I typed up a long thanks and lots of info, but forgot to type in my password, when I hit the back button, it erased ALL the info I had typed. I will attempt to remember it all.

Second,
My BIGGEST concern is the safety of my fellow Kat owners. This ball joint will fail when you LEAST expect it. If your Kat feels like the steering is getting tight OR doesn't want to return to center by itself; DO NOT drive it. Again, a visual inspection of the joint WILL NOT indicate that it is ok.

Third,
According to my parts guy, my lower control arm is on NATIONAL BACK ORDER! There are none available in ALL of the US. There are 300 projected to come out of manufactoring on the 25th of April, yes April. I will keep everyone informed of the info as I receive it.

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2000 Black Kat
"self-proclaimed" poorest Prowler owner

mods:
1) ceramic pads 2) Bill's 2.1 intake with EGR bypass 3) "cracked ice" shimmers
4)51,000+ (s)miles


JUST JP
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posted 03-13-2003 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JUST JP     
Marty,
The squealing was in a parking lot about 5 days before it popped. Steering got tight about a week before.


Marty Usher
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posted 03-14-2003 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Usher     
quote:
Originally posted by JUST JP:
Marty,
The squealing was in a parking lot about 5 days before it popped. Steering got tight about a week before.

JP - thank you for the information. I will be listening for any squealing and am already paying attention to the steering feel. I hope I don't get paranoid about it and can just remain cautious. I know it must be hard to not be able to drive your kat for that long of a period. You'll have to get your Prowler fix by posting more here. I hope the parts you need come in early.

Marty


Kozican
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posted 03-14-2003 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kozican     
JP, I had the very same "hard steer" when mine broke at 26k miles. My dealer replaced the left side that failed. At about 35k miles I started feeling another tight steer and explained to the service manager. He didnt question me one little bit about it and replaced the right side right away. His reason was they had inspected the front end one week prior to the left failing and had ordered me a new rack-n-pinion thinking that was the problem on the first failure. The left side, showed no signs of a problem so he assumed the right side wouldnt either. He made a good judgement call because if he had said no he wasnt going to replace it then it failed,they would be giving me a new Prowler if I wrecked it. Now if my daughter was in the car if it failed......I'd be on Death Row!!!


Koz


JUST JP
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posted 03-14-2003 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JUST JP     
New update:

I will have to wait to give a name, until this person gives me the ok; but I just received a private message saying that they had an A-arm for me. If all goes well, I'll be Prowlin' again by Monday or Tuesday.

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2000 Black Kat
"self-proclaimed" poorest Prowler owner

mods:
1) ceramic pads 2) Bill's 2.1 intake with EGR bypass 3) "cracked ice" shimmers
4)51,000+ (s)miles


Chromer
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posted 03-14-2003 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chromer     
JP, We're glad you're OK!!

Is there perhaps a pattern here? That the ball joint failures are associated with the rough cast A-arms (circa model years 2000 forward)?

If my ball joint failed before DC honored the recall..and something happened to Jack ..I'd be on death row along with Koz!

DC, if you're listening..get with it before someone gets hurt!!

This message has been edited by Chromer on 03-14-2003 at 07:00 PM

GRROWL
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posted 03-14-2003 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GRROWL     
quote:
Originally posted by Chromer:
Is there perhaps a pattern here? That the ball joint failures are associated with the rough cast A-arms (circa model years 2000 forward)?

NHTSA lists 3 reported failures on 99's:
========================================================
Make : PLYMOUTH Model : PROWLER Year : 1999
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 765616 Date of Failure: August 8, 2002
Component: SUSPENSION:FRONT:CONTROL ARM:LOWER BALL JOINT
========================================================
Make : PLYMOUTH Model : PROWLER Year : 1999
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 8006276 Date of Failure: March 23, 2002
Component: SUSPENSION:FRONT:CONTROL ARM:LOWER BALL JOINT
========================================================
Make : PLYMOUTH Model : PROWLER Year : 1999
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 8014269 Date of Failure: June 29, 2002
Component: SUSPENSION:FRONT:CONTROL ARM:LOWER BALL JOINT
========================================================


JUST JP
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From: Navarre, Florida, USA
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posted 03-14-2003 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JUST JP     
GRROWL,
Thanks for posting that. I forgot to call them. Just did. How do you access that info? Want to see how long it takes to post mine.

Results : 1 | All records displayed
Make : PLYMOUTH Model : PROWLER Year : 2000
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10004924 Date of Failure: November 18, 2002
Component: STEERING:LINKAGES:KNUCKLE:SPINDLE:ARM
Summary:
BALL JOINT BROKE OFF .. FRONT RIGHT .


Found it. This is someone else though. My date of failure will be 12 MAR 03.

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2000 Black Kat
"self-proclaimed" poorest Prowler owner

mods:
1) ceramic pads 2) Bill's 2.1 intake with EGR bypass 3) "cracked ice" shimmers
4)51,000+ (s)miles

This message has been edited by JUST JP on 03-14-2003 at 09:05 PM

WPG
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From: Orlando, Florida
Registered: AUG 2000

posted 03-16-2003 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WPG     
I am sorry to hear this happened. Everytime I drive my Prowler I think of this happening. Fortunately, nobody was hurt. If this was to happen to mine and someone was hurt because of it, I would not be very happy. Please keep us informed as to what transpires from this.

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Bill Gallagher
1999 Red

www.MagicTouchDesigns.com

MTD Prowler Intake System 2.2
MTD Bypass Kit
MTD Suspension Frame Braces
Other Modifications



JUST JP
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From: Navarre, Florida, USA
Registered: OCT 2000

posted 03-21-2003 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JUST JP     
Posted this on another thread. Would like to ensure people see it.

Where to begin...
First,
Yes Larry, I'm offended. Your post on the "oh yeahs" could fit me perfectly. BUT, I DID listen to her. I DID tell my tech. I DID try to get DC to replace mine. 24 hours before my passenger ball joint failed, I was getting an oil change at my dealership. I informed my tech of the recall and of my symptoms; he not only drove my Kat, but inspected the ball joints as well. He saw NO SIGNS of corrosion or problems. I am fully confident of his knowledge and skills as a tech. So, I ask you, are you justified with those statements?

Second,
For those that think you can take your Kat down to your dealership and pay for the "new" arms and then get reimbursed... think again! There are NONE available. Go ahead, call and ask. They are currently on NATIONAL BACK ORDER. The company that makes them is projected to have 300 made on the 25th... of APRIL!
Now, does that sound like DC is pushing to get this done quickly? I think not. Does someone have to get seriously hurt or killed before they start pushing to get this done?
That's what I would like people to start thinking about.

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2000 Black Kat
"self-proclaimed" poorest Prowler owner

mods:
1) ceramic pads 2) Bill's 2.1 intake with EGR bypass 3) "cracked ice" shimmers
4)51,000+ (s)miles


sam771
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Posts: 1023
From: Navarre, Florida, USA
Registered: OCT 2000

posted 03-21-2003 08:38 PM           
Glad you are OK, very scarry.

I just got back from oversea on Monday before the war start, plan to take my KAT out from storage get ready for the spring start reading the treads, it is very awful when I have read this this article.

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