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GoldRush Prowler Newbie From:Dallas, Texas |
posted 10-11-2002 10:35 AM
Hello all. Please allow me to vent... I bought my Inca Gold the end of June this year. After months of thinkin about it, I finally went through with the deal. Everything was "Purrrfect" - until I moved. In August, I moved into some luxury apartments close to Downtown Dallas. Close to work, close to the action, etc.
-Security on duty
Someone backs into my car at the parking garage at work - passenger side bumper - only bumper needs to be replaced. The guy was cool about it and left his contact info. I got check from his Insurance to repair.
My apartment management said they were not liable - since I signed a garage lease addendum. I decided to live with it and proceed no further in the matter. After all, the first scratch is always protection from other scratches on new cars - right?
*I learned that another car was keyed that same weekend - 2002 Escalade, so I assumed the complex would be aware of the problem. Once again, my complex gave me the same response...They are not liable. I did get the manager to pay half my deductible ($250), but I really did not want to file against my own insurance-but what was I to do? The damages were estimated at araoung $4000 - $5000, and would require a complete paint job on the Kat - due to the pearl and matching. And 4-6 weeks shop time w/no rental insurance. I know the difference between good and bad paintwork, so I was already getting disappointed with the whole idea of a new coat on my 2 month old Kat. Still waiting for Insurance check to start repairs. incident #3 - October 2002: Is there not some kind of inferred liability that the complex has to assume, since the complex has security on duty and/or the provide a gated community?
I like my car and I like my apartment, but can I have both- without spending a few grand extra a month for repairs? What are my options at this point? Is there anything I can do legally? Like get some action taked against my complex? option 1: option 2: option ...
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YellowFever unregistered Admin Use |
posted 10-11-2002 10:47 AM
Why is it the apartments fault at all? Yes, they do provide security but, that isn't stated to protect you and all your possesions from anything manmade or not 24 hous a day 100% of the time. No one can do that. If someone wants to do harm to you or your car, they can find a way. Atacking the complex because you don't know who did this to you (and probably because the complex would have more money then the perp) is the wrong way to go. Unless the manager keyed your car I don't think you have any case against them.(especially if expressly written in a contract you signed). At most apartments, you leave cars out, exposed, and fair game for anyone. The same would hold true if you experienced a hail storm at that complex. Would the management be liable because of the storm? The question I would have is, "Why after the first or second incident did you still stay there?" This message has been edited by YellowFever on 10-11-2002 at 10:55 AM |
butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 10-11-2002 11:00 AM
That sucks. Buy a hand gun and stand guard. Can you arrange for a parking spot closer to a security camera? Maybe you can put a listening device in the car that will tell you about what time all this is going on and you can arrange to whack the sucker with a bat if they try it again. Too bad some can't stand for others to have nice stuff. This message has been edited by butchcee on 10-11-2002 at 11:00 AM |
Bob Wyman POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fullerton, CA |
posted 10-11-2002 11:31 AM
It's not the Apartment complex fault. Maybe you best bet would be to park the car somewhere else. ------------------ |
ben Prowler Junkie From:Bradenton, FL |
posted 10-11-2002 11:35 AM
I am an expert in security and video surveillance, and specialize in government security and industrial espionage. As a high profile security consultant, here is my advice. The apartment complex isn't liable for anything. You signed a waiver. It will cost you more in legal fees which you cannot recover because of the signed waiver than the repair bill would cost you. My advice: The folks doing the damage to the vehicle are for near certain a the same person or group of persons each time. I hesitate to say kids, but it is most likely the case. Purchase a wireless video camera that transmits from the garage to where your apartment is. Something like a wireless smoke detector that you velcro to the ceiling or something that looks like emergency lighting. Oddly enough, I manufacture them too and can help you price-wise as a "buddy deal". Keep your VCR recording 24/7. If you want a 24hr realtime timelapse vcr I can loan you one for the time being. Eventually, you will catch the kids when they "strike" next. Once they strike, they probably live in the complex, have them arrested and use the tape as evidence. My phone is 585-889-2321, I'm in the office about half of the time. The other half of the time, my cell # is 585-749-3338. Regards, -Ben |
GoldRush Prowler Newbie From:Dallas, Texas |
posted 10-11-2002 11:49 AM
Thanks for your thoughts. I see your point that the complex probably should not be at fault, but the fact that they don't let residents know/warn about "bad activity" in the complex. I guess the main reasons for not moving would be moving hassles and lease agreement, but the "moving expenses" are starting to look insignificant, and I have a feeling that I could get the management to let me out of the lease. I am looking into some storage places down the street, so see if they have garages for lease to pack up my Kat when not in use. Or I could buy a trailer and use it as a "private" garage. Honestly, as you can probably tell by my long posting(s), I just wanted to vent. I just don't understand Vadalism. Theft I get-maybe the perp was hungry. The possiblity that this could be the acts of a neighbor just get to me. I know there is probably no "real" answer here. I have been wanting to attend some Texas POA functions, but my Kat has been "under the weather" pretty much since I have had it. I WILL meet you Texas Prowlers one day. Looking forward: Thanks again for your time. ------------------ -------------->O<----- |
TLRandall POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:CALDWELL, TX, US |
posted 10-11-2002 12:59 PM
Your always going to have people that are jealous of nice stuff. That's what keeps people like me in business. Even if it's in a private garage, if it's exposed to others, the threat of damage is there. If you want to keep people from tearing up stuff, these days, you have to keep stuff away from people. Other than standing next to it all the time, find a more secure place to park it. That seems like you only option. ------------------ |
just jack POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Oakmont, PA |
posted 10-11-2002 02:14 PM
Just out of curiosity... does the ex- girlfriend live near by? Or did you Pi-- someone off? The fact that they keep coming back to your car is a message in itself. I wish you the best. JJ. |
GoldRush Prowler Newbie From:Dallas, Texas |
posted 10-11-2002 02:28 PM
Jack, Amazingly-I get that question a lot. I know Inca Gold is a controversial color here on POA-but could it be that controversial out in the real world Maybe someone just hates the color or hates the look of a Prowler with the top up. ??? ------------------ -------------->O<----- |
TriJim POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chambersburg, PA |
posted 10-11-2002 02:42 PM
Gold -- I empathize with your plight. It's probably just someone jealous of what you have and they don't. I'm afraid that even if you catch the guy, word will get around and you'll never be happy with the current circumstances. I'd say your only options are move, sell kat, or find nearby secure storage. BTW -- I'd be happy to see you and your Kat at any function, with or without scratches. It's not about the appearance of the car as much as the camaraderie of Prowler owners. Good luck. |
YellowFever unregistered Admin Use |
posted 10-11-2002 02:59 PM
The fact that it keeps happening (and getting worse each time) says someone is trying to get a rise outta you. Old girlfriend, business partner, friend, neighbor, someone. Vandals are cowards and I doubt they would continue to do this to the same car and risk getting caught unless it was personal. I'd say use the security camera, video tape them, then have them arrested, and then sue the carp outta them. Barring that, get the heck outta that complex before you develop one. |
Kelley Austin Prowler Junkie From:Newport, Arkansas, USA |
posted 10-11-2002 03:00 PM
Move |
Todd Cameron unregistered Admin Use |
posted 10-11-2002 03:02 PM
It's just jealous immaturity. Some people cannot stand someone else has something they will never own and so have to destroy it for them. Very sad Best to move elsewhere with a real garage. ------------------ |
Ray unregistered Admin Use |
posted 10-11-2002 03:45 PM
Aren't all the really BIG garages down there in Texas anyway?? |
Ray unregistered Admin Use |
posted 10-11-2002 03:45 PM
Aren't all the really BIG garages down there in Texas anyway??
This message has been edited by Ray on 10-11-2002 at 03:46 PM |
davide Prowler Newbie From:Weston, FL, USA |
posted 10-11-2002 06:18 PM
George, Sorry to hear about the vandalism. That suuuuucks! I like the idea about putting a smoke detector camera above the cat and transmitting to a vcr. Good luck. |
taz Prowler Enthusiast From:Guernsey, Wyoming |
posted 10-11-2002 06:50 PM
That really stinks about your cat. Move to Wildoming we have our own form of justice out here. Actually I leave the keys in most of my cars all day and rarely lock my door. The trailer sounds like a good idea to me and I hope they catch whomever is doing this. I don't get it either why are people so mean. |
sunbird Prowler Junkie From:Ridgecrest, California |
posted 10-11-2002 11:41 PM
I use the x10.com security cameras. They work great and don't cost an arm and a leg. ------------------ |
KatAddict POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Greencastle, PA, USA |
posted 10-12-2002 08:30 AM
I think I would go rent a new Gold Kat,,,and sit near by out of sight all night and catch those bas(*rds Red Handed. God only knows what would happen next!!!!! |
butchcee POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Lake Ariel, Pa. |
posted 10-12-2002 09:15 AM
I still like my bat idea. BADDA BING-Fuhgedaboudit. Hope you catch them. ------------------ |
davide Prowler Newbie From:Weston, FL, USA |
posted 10-12-2002 10:15 AM
What about covering the car when it's in the garage with a car cover!??! |
spoons POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:West Palm Beach, FL |
posted 10-12-2002 01:18 PM
Doesn't the garage have a lock on the door? When I live in Florida, I lived in an Apt Complex and I always parked the car in the garage with the door locked and car cover one it. Maybe you should move? ------------------ |
Black Tie 161 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:MD, USA |
posted 10-14-2002 06:48 AM
That is a horrible story.... I honestly can say that if I did not have a house with a 2 car garage, and a spot at work where I can park right in front of my office window, I would not have bought the Prowler. |
GoldRush Prowler Newbie From:Dallas, Texas |
posted 10-14-2002 09:35 AM
Thanks to all of you for your thoughts. I am going to talk to my apt management company today. I am going to ask if she can let me out of my lease without any penalties. I figure while my Kat is in the shop probably 6 weeks now. I will look to buy a house-I could use the the tax write-off On the bright side, I can always use this opportunity to go all custom. I was thinking about getting the whole car painted with Colorshift paint. (at least if some people really didn't like the Inca Gold, they can just look at my Kat from a different angle!) . -But First, I am going to spend a few hundred dollars on a paging alarm system.
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spoons POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:West Palm Beach, FL |
posted 10-14-2002 10:49 AM
George, The Colorshift paint requires you to carry a special insurance just on the paint, Because if you scratch one part of the car the whole car needs to be repainted. The paint can not me matched or blending. Here are some color options: 1. Deep deep Candy Apple red (Corvette's Candy Apple) ------------------ |
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