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Lexxor Prowler Enthusiast From:Oklahoma City, Ok, USA |
posted 08-17-2013 12:41 AM
Finally had my fuel pump replaced. Same problem on my Kat as many others. Hard to start when hot. I decided to just go with a stock replacement instead of some of the other pumps some of you have talked about. Didn't have time to figure the alternatives out. It was getting to hard to start. The mechanic that works on my car is viper certified as well as great on Prowlers. He said one word that is the problem. Ethanol. Eats up the seals and a valve in the pump not to mention seals in your injectors. I never have run that crap in my Prowler but I'm sure the original owner did. I live in the OKC area and we have 100% gas everywhere. But I know many parts of the U.S. don't. He said there are fuel additives you can use to prevent damage from Ethanol. I'm sure most of you know this already but I thought I would tell the ones that don't. My car runs and starts perfect now. This message has been edited by Lexxor on 08-17-2013 at 12:54 AM |
jimsutton POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Ocala, FL, USA |
posted 08-17-2013 04:20 AM
Thanks Good info .... |
lionberger POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Grosse Ile, MI, USA |
posted 08-17-2013 07:31 AM
Since having put in 4 fuel pumps into my '97 I have used non ethanol gas for the last few years. It is rare here in SE Michigan. Fortunately there are two stations that carry "recreational gas." One here where I live though it is 60 cents more expensive than the other one which is 20 miles away. I also use it in my '71 Cuda and lawnmower which is only 4 years old. ------------------ This message has been edited by lionberger on 08-17-2013 at 11:27 AM |
DrillinU POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:NY, USA |
posted 08-17-2013 11:32 AM
He said there are fuel additives you can use to prevent damage from Ethanol May you tell us what they are? |
Lexxor Prowler Enthusiast From:Oklahoma City, Ok, USA |
posted 08-17-2013 12:37 PM
You can Google additives for ethonal and get all kinds of answers. Some of the additives used by people I've talked to use Gas Guard and Sta-bil. Another person I know says he uses Marvel Mystery Oil. Didn't ask how much he adds. Will find out. There are people out there who will disagree and swear they have used ethanol for years and have had no problems. I'm glad for them but people I know talk about injector and fuel pump problems because of E10 and E15. |
catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 08-17-2013 01:39 PM
the problem with fuel pumps is not ethanol related,.maybe you can explain why a stack of fuel pumps at the assembly plant wer refused and sent back after being defective.chime in a/c. ------------------ |
catfish POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:scottsdale,az,usa |
posted 08-17-2013 01:41 PM
one additive is cf5 from bg products. ------------------ |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 08-17-2013 04:57 PM
Its true,,,while on a 2001 tour of CAAP, one full pallet of Prowler fuel pumps were rejected and being sent back to the vendor who made them.. The workers wouldn't say what the problem was,,,just that they were rejected. =========================================================== Its possible that the fuel is also causing a problem with the rubber type, small seal within the pump housing....I'll look for a picture of it. The blue pen shows where a portion of the rubber seal blows out, thus causing fuel pump complete failure......either due to debris or chemical reactions? This message has been edited by ALLEY CAT on 08-17-2013 at 05:00 PM |
idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 08-17-2013 07:49 PM
Larry, this interests me... I thought at first that was the big thick blue grommet on the bottom of the pump, but I see now it is off the underside of the pump housing top, the blue part being what's under the silver ring cover. I assume you didn't know that piece had broken until you removed that piece from under the top? And what is the white 3/4 ring? Where is it from? Is it complete as shown or broken as well? |
pastohio Prowler Newbie From:Cincinnati, Ohio USA |
posted 08-18-2013 07:32 AM
Curious, talking about fuel and pumps, could this be related to the recall in 1998 (??) to have the dealerships look at fuel rails, did they think it was rails when it was pumps or both ?? Just thinking outloud... |
idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 08-18-2013 07:32 PM
The fuel rail recall was about a leak in the fuel rail that could cause your car to explode into a trillion pieces (not to be confused with a trillion dollars). |
ALLEY CAT POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:mesa, az, USA |
posted 08-21-2013 01:00 PM
Mick,,yes, that was from the top portion when opening up the fuel pump assembly That other semi-round plastic piece came from this area (sorry about the picture quality). Not sure if the plastic cracked on its own or when the blue portion broke off and caused more pressure stress on the plastic? |
idive POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas USA |
posted 08-21-2013 02:24 PM
Ah, got it... Thank you. |
Michelredcat Prowler Enthusiast From:sherman oaks, CA 91403 |
posted 03-03-2014 03:24 AM
I got my Fuel pump at FuelPumpfactory.com for $108 I paid extra shiping, cuz I needed it "yesterday" Wallbro GCA761-2-255LPH One the site this is what you are going to see Now you need to unplug the 2 hoses, and electrical cable that leads next to Tranny fluid dipstick. See next pic Unplug connector next to dipstick, being careful to release the red safety clip (but do not force out) Then the following instructions have been posted by others. I forgot to keep taking pictures... But one things I realized after the fact, is that little red tool... You will see when you reach this step. Make sure you do not fill up your tank before doing this work, as when you open up the tank, (at pump location) fuel will leak all over the place. The Fuel pump cylinder will be full of Gasoline, and will be needed to be emptied. Once you have taken out the pump out of the "white cylinder", the hardest thing will be to get the proper wire connectors adapted to the new pump. But that is pretty easy. It is recommended to do a little soldering of your connection for "true"/ no fault electrical connection. OF COURSE, MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO GASOLINE AROUND, if you are using open flame "mini torch", or welding gun just to be extra safe. Then, install fule filter, re-install pump into white canister, and then pump assembly into fuel tank. I had to mess around with the rubber gasket that fits around the round cover on fuel tank... it kept coming off every time I began spinning cover closed. It can be tedious, and patience testing. The cover is fairly tight/stiff to turn closed. Please put a mark with a "sharpie" on the edge of the cover before you spin it open, this way you will know, how far to spin it close at the end., so the 2 Hoses match the location of the top plugs, and you know it was tight enough from factory settings, and that you do not overtighten, and doubting yourself if it was not! the mark will assure you. Then you car will start like a charm everytime!... it is such a great feelings All of the above took me about 1.5 hours. it is true that I had help from a Mechanics shop, But I did most of the work myself. The shop had the tool to open the Fuel tank for me, and one mechanic helped me with the "3 screwdrivers" to release the pump out of the housing, (not knowing about the RED tool), and also soldered the wire connectors for me with a "mini torch" the size of a BIC lighter, but I did the rest. Was fun. |
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