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beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 05-10-2015 06:49 PM
Could this be a common question, now that our cars are getting older? I saw this current ebayer had this to say regarding the timing belt. Using it as a marketing tool: "This is a major service and one that will be required on ALL prowlers regardless of miles. The belt is rubber and begins to breakdown over time. Don't let other sellers fool you into think this is optional as the 1999 - 2002 prowler engine is an impact engine which means the engine will be damaged with the belt breaks." |
alrtg POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Westminster, MD, USA |
posted 05-10-2015 07:03 PM
Given that it appears the advertiser uses the incorrect terminology for the "Interference" design used in the 1999-2002 cars, I would tend to say they know not what they are speaking of. On the other hand I am sure time will play a role in the durability of the belts regardless of miles. With that said, it would be up to the individual owner to thoroughly research the subject first, then evaluate their comfort level before making any decision. JMO |
beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 05-10-2015 07:21 PM
Here is an interesting thread of people who seem to know what they are talking about. http://community.cartalk.com/discussion/782813/low-mileage-can-trump-age-when-deciding-on-timing-belt-replacement What I get from them is that low mileage, well treated cars, like ours, will have a greater grace period. But, If recommended average changeout times are 7 to 9 years, we have already doubled that with our cars. |
beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 05-10-2015 08:28 PM
Can we have a poll of who has done their timing belts. At what approximate mileage and if possible, the approximate cost of the job? |
jimsutton POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Ocala, FL, USA |
posted 05-11-2015 06:18 AM
Wondering if any Prowlers have every had a Timing belt problem ??? I know they are getting old but belts can last a long time and I know of cars/Trucks with over 200.000 Thousand miles and over 20 yrs. old with out a problem so I think it is . Dam if I do or DAM if I don't --- I am not worried about mine with 60.000 miles on it at this time .. |
DON WIEBER POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Avon, mn, us |
posted 05-11-2015 07:15 AM
what kind of money are we talking about for the dealer to do the job? |
stevedymo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Brick, NJ, USA |
posted 05-11-2015 07:28 AM
This thread belongs in Technical Q and A. Do a search on 'timing belt' and see all the talk on this subject. |
beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 05-11-2015 08:21 AM
I think padroo did it himself. Dale can you chime in on the difficulty of this job? Any special tools required? Did you follow the big purpl prowler manual? |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 05-11-2015 09:36 AM
Yes I did it myself. If you have ever changed one on another car you should have no trouble with the Prowler. I would reccomend using the three jaw puller the manual reccomends to remove the harmonic balancer. I had several and none were the right length for the job. There is also a harmonic installation tool that I improvised and worked, nothing nothing special just some all thread, flat washers, a nut and a tack weld. . If you plan on doing this yourself I had an earlier post with detailed instructions. This is a good time to change radiator hoses and flush your cooling system while you have the radiator out and install new belts. This message has been edited by padroo on 05-11-2015 at 09:40 AM |
beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 05-11-2015 01:04 PM
quote: How did I miss that? Dale do you have a link for that? |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 05-11-2015 01:25 PM
I copied my post from 2011. I will see if I can find the pictures and add them later. The big purple book tells the whole procedure but it's always the little things that get you in trouble. Having the right puller was my big one.
Locate the cam gear timing marks and the one on the crankshaft. Rotate the crankshaft to align all three marks. Then remove the tensioner from the engine and remove the belt. Starting from the crankshaft gear, install the belt working in a counterclockwise direction. Tip: jam something under the belt under the crankshaft gear so the belt will not slip off its gear. Next, go around the drivers side cam gear with your belt. You have to make sure it is tight between the crankshaft and the first cam gear. Tip: Rotate the cam gear just enough so you can get the belt on the cam gear then rotate it back to the timing mark and make sure it is tight and on the timing marks. Tip: This is very high tech, take two cloths pins and clip them to the cam gear to hold the new belt in the cam gear and still tight and on the timing marks. Next install the back side of the belt around the water pump and then to the next cam gear. Using the same procedure of rotating the cam gear slightly then putting the belt on the cam gear then rotating back making sure there is no slack between the cam gear, water pump and first cam gear. Install two more clothes pins to hold it in place. Now look at what you have, all three timing marks should be in time and there should be no slack until you get to the other side of the second cam gear. Install the cam gear around the tensioner and the belt is in place. Take the tensioning device and compress the plunger in a very large vice. There are alignment holes that will line up and I used a small allen wrench to hold the plunger and removed the tension from the vice. Install the tensioner with the two bolts and torque to specs. Remove the allen wrench with force and it will put tension on the new belt for the first time. Check your three timing marks, then rotate the crankshaft two full revolutions and stop the crankshaft timing mark on TDC. The cam timing marks should be lined up also, you are done. If you keep the belt tight and the marks in alignment you will get it the first time. Pat yourself on the back! Don't forget to remove the clothes pins and blocking under the crankshaft gear. I had to buy 96 clothes pins and only needed four. Now if I can convince my wife to hang the laundry out to dry I am in good shape! Miller tool #6792 to install harmonic ballancer. http://www.toolsource.com/crank-sprocket-installer-chrysler-jeep-dodge-p-99112.html You can't use the bolt to pull the harmonic balancer back CAUTION, CAUTION, CAUTION 1999's and up had interference engines. If you turn the crankshaft or cams independent of each other you run the risk of bending a valve because these are interference engines. The purple book mentions it but be careful, you have been warned. This message has been edited by padroo on 05-11-2015 at 02:19 PM |
beachcat BANNED From:Ontario, Canada |
posted 05-11-2015 08:58 PM
Thanks Dale. I might give it a try next winter. What about the water pump? Did you do it also? |
padroo POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Chesterton, IN, USA |
posted 05-11-2015 10:13 PM
I had to stop somewhere and the car only had 7,000 miles but it would have been easy being I was in the neighborhood. |
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