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posted 03-11-2015 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RPL     send a private message to RPL   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by RPL
Here's what noted car collector Jay Leno has to say about ethanol in today's fuel. Remember even the refinery doesn't add the ethanol until the delivery truck. None of the pipelines carries E10.


"Car enthusiast and comedian Jay Leno made it clear: He hates ethanol and he blames the Renewable Fuel Standard.

So he wants car enthusiasts to ask legislators to draft laws that reform or eliminate the law that mandates increasing levels of ethanol in the fuel supply.

In a recent Autoweek op-ed, the former Tonight Show host lamented replacing fuel-pressure regulators every 12 or 18 months on each of the autos in his vast car collection to avoid car fires — or, “ka-bloooooie,” as Leno puts it.

“New cars are equipped with fuel lines that are resistant to ethanol damage, but with older cars, the worst can happen — you’re going down the road and suddenly your car is on fire,” Leno wrote in the March 4 op-ed.

He also bemoaned the shorter shelf life of fuel containing ethanol, an issue boaters have long complained about — particularly those in regions that have seasonal boating.

“If I run a car from the teens or ’20s and fill it up with modern fuel, then it sits for more than two months, I often can’t get it to start,” Leno wrote.

His message: “Blame the Renewable Fuel Standard.”

“This government-mandated rule requires certain amounts of ethanol and other biofuels be blended with gasoline and diesel fuel,” Leno wrote. “But when Congress first passed RFS as part of the Energy Policy Act in 2005, our demand for energy was increasing.”

Today, total demand has decreased “thanks to more-efficient vehicles, more hybrids and increased environmental awareness,” Leno wrote.

“I just don’t see the need for ethanol,” he writes. “I understand the theory — these giant agri-business companies can process corn, add the resulting blend to gasoline and we’ll be using and importing less gasoline. But they say this diversion of the corn supply is negatively affecting food prices, and the ethanol-spiked gas we’re forced to buy is really awful.”

The EPA is set to release the 2015 standard in June, he said. Meanwhile, some legislators are pushing to reform or eliminate the Renewable Fuel Standard entirely.

“It’s time for us as automobile enthusiasts to dig in our heels and start writing to our congressmen and senators about the Renewable Fuel Standard or we’ll be forced to use even more ethanol. Most people assume, ‘Oh, that’ll never happen. They’ll never do that.’ Remember Prohibition? In 1920, all the saloons were closed. It took until 1933 before legal liquor came back.”"

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Maybe this will get some traction and/or other states will try to do the same.

Federal, state legislation aims to curb ethanol use in gasoline

Daniel Strohl Mar 5th, 2015 at 8am
Unable to get their anti-corn ethanol legislation included as a rider on an unrelated bill earlier this year, two U.S. senators have now re-introduced it as a standalone bill aimed at rolling back portions of the Renewable Fuel Standard, joining at least four other pieces of legislation on the federal and state levels aimed at reducing the amount of corn-based ethanol in modern fuel blends. Retaining the same name and much of the same wording as the earlier piece of legislation – the Corn Ethanol Mandate Elimination Act of 2015, which failed to make its way into the Keystone XL Pipeline Act – senators Dianne Feinstein of California and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania introduced the bill (S.577) last week, calling for a modification of the Renewable Fuel Standard to promote other biofuels, including biodiesel and cellulosic ethanol, over corn-based ethanol. “Our infrastructure has a ceiling for the amount of corn ethanol that can be used, and we’re rapidly approaching it,” Feinstein wrote in a press release announcing the legislation. “Companies are physically unable to blend more corn ethanol into gasoline without causing problems for many gas stations and older automobiles.” Opponents of the legislation, including the Renewable Fuel Association, the National Corn Growers Association, and the Advanced Ethanol Council, have characterized it as “an attack on the Renewable Fuel Standard” and have called for the EPA to increase the amount of ethanol blended into gasoline despite the EPA’s acknowledgement of the ethanol blend wall. Both Feinstein/Toomey and their opponents do seem to agree that it’s worth investing in other forms of cellulosic ethanol – that is, ethanol made from switchgrass and other non-food plant materials. Meanwhile, Representative Bob Goodlatte of Virginia last month introduced the RFS Reform Act of 2015 (H.R.704), which proposes a number of changes to the Renewable Fuel Standard, among them a 10 percent cap on the amount of ethanol added to gasoline. Goodlatte had introduced similar legislation in 2013. On the state level, legislators in Pennsylvania (H.B. 471), Oregon (H.B.2373), and Hawaii (S.B.717) have introduced bills aimed at eliminating altogether those states’ requirements that all gasoline sold there contain at least 10 percent ethanol. All three bills have since been referred to committees. The SEMA Action Network, which monitors legislative issues for the collector-car hobby, backs all three state-level bills.


- See more at: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.p hp/2015/03/05/federal-state-legislation-aims-to-curb-ethanol-use-in-gasoline/?refer=news#sthash.mtyZeZ6W.dpuf: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.ph p/2015/03/05/federal-state-legislation-aims-to-curb-ethanol-use-in-gasoline/?refer=news#sthash.mtyZeZ6W.dpuf

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The problem is that our farm policies have virtually guaranteed the production of corn. We can not use it all in food stuffs so they mandated it's use in fuel. Corn is in virtually everything that we buy at the grocery store including all of your soft drinks. It's the major diet for cows and chickens.

Ethanol started out innocent enough at 5% to replace MTB as an additive because of the environmental issues with MTB. MTB itself replaced lead in motor fuels. Ethanol also sounded good going into motor fuel to replace imported oil. The government then subsidized construction of large methanol plants to produce more ethanol and use up corn surpluses.

Don't get me wrong. Vehicles can be made to accommodate high percentages of ethanol. My daily driver can use E85. I tried a tank full in my last one. The car ran fine and I didn't notice any difference in power. The issue was that the fuel usage went up measurably, significantly more than the subsidized price that I paid for E85 versus E10 gasoline at the same station.

I don't see the government changing from the current E10 today. I just don't want them to mandate E15. There is a website; http://pure-gas.org/ where you can locate station that offer straight unblended gasoline. I pay a bit more but have used it in all of our small engines for several seasons. My maintenance has been virtually zero other than the routine stuff.

I can't see anything happening without a major change in farm policy and enough lead time for farmers to change to different crops. Production of corn is hurting water supplies in drier areas and fertilizer run off killing rivers and the Gulf of Mexico. The Fed's really screwed this up and put farmers in jeopardy. The history of this makes scary reading.

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I personally never thought that there was much difference in gasoline. But here is an interesting article from a respected source that says all gasoline is not equal.

http://www.engineprofessional.com/TB/TB042015-1.pdf


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EPA Increases Ethanol Requirements for 2014–2016

By SEMA Washington, D.C., Staff

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued final targets for the amount of ethanol to be blended into gasoline in 2014, 2015 and 2016, while relying on expanded sales of E15 (gas that contains 15% ethanol) in order to meet the targets. The EPA is required to set ethanol targets under the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS). The law was intended to reduce the nation’s dependency on foreign oil but has translated into ever-increasing corn production so that the ethanol byproduct can be blended into gasoline. Ethanol, especially in higher concentrations such as E15, can cause metal corrosion and dissolve certain plastics and rubbers in automobiles produced before 2001 that were not constructed with ethanol-resistant materials.

SEMA is working to enact legislation to repeal the EPA regulation authorizing E15 sales, cap the amount of ethanol blended into gasoline at 10% and eliminate a mandate that 15 billion gallons of corn-based ethanol be blended into the U.S. fuel supply every year. SEMA has joined with more than 50 other organizations from the auto, boat, food and energy industries to support passage of the legislation. For more information, contact Eric Snyder at erics@sema.org.

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I haven't posted on this topic in some time. I do my part to use ethanol free, non-blended fuel in our bots and small engines. I pay a little extra but have saved in maintenance and ease of starting.

Here is the latest on the EPA and ethanol in our fuel. EPA is tone deaf. Maybe Trump can improve their hearing.


https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2017/07/07/ethanol-free-gas-usage-drops-in-2016-still-exceeds-epas-expectations/?refer=news

I'll have something to say about the new oil formulas at another date. They finally got around to screwing up diesel oils this past fall.


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