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pgpg42    POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bradenton, Fl Manatee |
posted 12-17-2015 08:23 PM
    
Quincy, Is this the official answer from Tom Mills or your opinion? I believe ethanol was probably responsible for this item failing & I have bought a new pump module for another Chrysler in case I need to cannibalize it for this seal. However, is seems ridiculous to spend $100.00 for a pump to obtain a $10.00 seal. These pump modules are being manufactured every day and there is a source for these seals out there somewhere. |
Tom Mills               POA Site Supporter and Vendor Prowler Junkie Tom Mills / Jefferson Auto prowlerparts@jeffersonautocollision.com From:Niles, MI and Punta Gorda FL |
posted 12-17-2015 08:52 PM
I am sorry for the delay getting the information on that seal, I am still waiting for an answer back from the engineering dept. I have relayed all of the concerns listed here and they were forwarded to the engineer for an opinion and to see if the seals you are talking about are available. I will call them again tomorrow. |
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pgpg42 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bradenton, Fl Manatee |
posted 12-17-2015 08:57 PM
Thank you Tom |
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quincy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fairfield Glade, TN. USA |
posted 12-19-2015 11:41 AM
This is only my educated opinion based on the photo supplied. Tom (has) provide his input as information is received. Lets hope this works out and your issues are resolved.
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pgpg42 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bradenton, Fl Manatee |
posted 01-06-2016 07:21 PM
During the holidays I spoke with several seal manufacturers and no one could identify the seal I was looking for. So today, I opened up the fuel pump module assembly I bought from Auto Zone for a Town & Country 3.5 v6. It is part number C5341009. It had the seal I needed but the design was different plus it had an additional seal over the end of the fuel pump. It appeared to be glued in place and I did not want to break it. I realized the cover it was glued into appeared to be almost identical to the Prowler cover that has the bad seal. So I, compressed the spring and twisted the assembly to remove it from the outer lid. Turns out they are not exactly the same but believe it or not I could exchange one for the other. I reassembled the entire module using the Walbro pump for the SRT4. I could not blow through the output port so I installed it in the Prowler. Car started right up and I let it warm up to normal operating temp in my garage, shut it down and attempted to restart in about 10 minutes. Couldn't believe it started right up on the first try just like it should. I repeated this process again and got the same result. I could not measure pressure at the manifold because my 90 degree adapter broke and I did not drive the car because it was raining. Also, I now know that I could have used the entire bottom sub assembly (which includes a new pump) if I did not want to upgrade to the SRT pump. |
ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 01-07-2016 12:26 AM
Thanks for posting the update. This will be good info in the future. This is why POA is so important. |
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pgpg42 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bradenton, Fl Manatee |
posted 01-07-2016 11:24 AM
Last night I posted a lengthy response and it has not appeared on my feed. Today Ed Monahan posted a reply and I cannot find it either. What am I doing wrong? |
garysss POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Balto. Md. |
posted 01-07-2016 11:26 AM
Have you refreshed the page your looking at. |
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ed monahan POA Lifetime Site Supporter Prowler Junkie Personal ScrapBook From:Cincinnati, Oh, USA |
posted 01-07-2016 02:21 PM
I still see both of them and the next 14 responses, also. lol Just kidding, only yours and GarySSS after mine. |
dru POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas |
posted 01-07-2016 09:35 PM
quote: Hit "F5" key which will refresh your browser and you should see it. Glad to see you have an option for the seal. You didn't take any pics did you? I hope Tom may still come up with something as you hate to buy a $100 dollar assembly for a $3.00 part. |
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quincy POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Fairfield Glade, TN. USA |
posted 01-08-2016 10:07 AM
Well you deserve a lot of credit for thinking this issue through very thoroughly. Congratulations. I'm sure you feel a great deal of pride and accomplishment. Good job and thanks for sharing your dilemma and corrective action plans with us. Although, this was a very odd issue. |
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pgpg42 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bradenton, Fl Manatee |
posted 01-10-2016 05:40 PM
Thanks guys, turns out that it is about the same process as installing the Walbro SRT4 pump except there is the additional step of exchanging the intermediate cover. This is where the seal is located. Turns out the seal is bonded in place and the bond broke loose, perhaps from the ethanol gas. The seal in the new pump will not interchange with the seal in the Prowler module, however you can exchange lids. Also in the new pump module there is an additional seal which sets on top of the pump before inserting it into the subject seal. This additional seal holds pressure against the original seal to help keep it from breaking loose. The intermediate cover (which contains the new seal) is easy to remove from the new pump and install on your Prowler module. You merely pull up on the spring and squeeze the two tubes together. This releases one tube and you then twist the other to separate the covers. To install the new intermediate cover on your Prowler pump just reverse the process. If you did not care about installing the SRT4 pump all you have to do is exchange your Prowler outer lid with the one that comes with the new module. Both of these scenarios require you to move the wires for the pump and fuel gauge from one connector to the other. |
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dru POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas |
posted 01-10-2016 08:19 PM
So everything still working like it should, starts right up? Also, are you still using the old fuel pressure regulator or is it with the new cover and seal that you are harvesting from the new pump assembly? |
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Tom Mills POA Site Supporter and Vendor Prowler Junkie Tom Mills / Jefferson Auto prowlerparts@jeffersonautocollision.com From:Niles, MI and Punta Gorda FL |
posted 01-10-2016 09:35 PM
Sorry for not getting back with any information on the seal availability. I have put in many calls to my supplier and he tells me the holidays were the hold up as they were closed between Christmas & New Years and he hasn't heard back from the engineering dept yet. I just sent him this latest information in hopes of getting an answer about the seals we need. |
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pgpg42 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bradenton, Fl Manatee |
posted 01-10-2016 10:00 PM
The pressure regulator is attached to the Prowler cover that gets re-used. I did not change it because it held pressure when I tried to blow through it. I actually assembled the old intermediate cover to the new module and I could blow thru the return port. It leaks around where the seal is glued to the cover. I drove the car over the weekend and it started every time on the first try whether the engine was hot or cold. Tom, thank you for looking for a seal. Now that I have done this I would not feel comfortable in removing the old seal and successfully bonding in a new one. Gasoline, especially ethanol, is very hard on sealants and the fact that it must withstand about 50 lbs of pressure increases the difficulty. |
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pgpg42 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bradenton, Fl Manatee |
posted 02-04-2016 08:47 PM
Tom, I just failed at attempting to post photos of the seal I removed from my fuel pump. I would appreciate it if you would be kind enough to post them for me. That seal was glued into the housing and the housing chipped away when I removed the seal such that a replacement seal would never have sealed. The seal was not properly seated when originally bonded into the housing. This allowed fuel pressure to leak past and erode the seal much like Mother Nature did to the Grand Canyon. Best solution appears to be to buy a fuel pump module for another Chrysler and exchange the lid. Thanks for striving to find a source for replacement seals. Dave |
NiteProwl64 Prowler Enthusiast From:Florida |
posted 02-22-2016 03:27 PM
Unfortunately when that seal blows out, there isn't much you can do to replace it, except for replace the top of the module. I have spent plenty of time on the phone with Walbro and Carter trying to find the replacement seal, and have been told by a number or people that it can't be serviced. I would look for a used pump somewhere that has the seal intact and just swap it out and keep the rest for parts! Good Luck with it Buddy! |
robin POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:St Thomas Ontario Canada |
posted 02-23-2016 02:26 PM
Pictures from Dave ....
This message has been edited by robin on 02-23-2016 at 02:28 PM |
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pgpg42 POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Bradenton, Fl Manatee |
posted 02-23-2016 02:28 PM
Thank you, Robin |
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dru POA Site Supporter Prowler Junkie From:Texas |
posted 02-24-2016 09:54 PM
Pictures for the replacement of the gasket are on this post for future reference. http://www.prowleronline.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/005361.html |
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