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moparmania

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posted 02-21-2003 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moparmania     send a private message to moparmania   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by moparmania
This is What It Takes To Stuff A Hemi In . An Adaptor is being made to attach the drive shaft to the flywheel . Ill post pictures when it is done.

This message has been edited by moparmania on 02-22-2003 at 08:36 AM

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Very interesting,,

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posted 02-22-2003 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dpena     send a private message to dpena   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by dpena
WOW!

I thought this was a joke but appearantly it is not...

More power to you

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Moparmania.

Thanks for the update... And, keep us updated on the process... Terrific project...

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posted 02-22-2003 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al's Prowler     send a private message to Al's Prowler   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Al's Prowler
Without a doubt you'll have the most interesting Prowler around, when do you think you'll have the car completed?

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posted 02-22-2003 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kraut     send a private message to Kraut   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Kraut
Very shallow bell housing. Where's the clutch or torque converter go? Are you going manual or automatic? Where are the bolt holes to connect the tranny?

Wow ..... this is gonna be cool.

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Very shallow bell housing. Where's the clutch or torque converter go? Are you going manual or automatic? Where are the bolt holes to connect the tranny?

The tranny and torque converter are in the rear on a Prowler.

Al

This message has been edited by Al's Prowler on 02-22-2003 at 08:10 AM

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Duh ........... That's what happens when you talk before you think.
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Originally posted by Kraut:
Duh ........... That's what happens when you talk before you think.

Well, at least you're thinking, some don't even do that.

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Kraut the prowler drive shaft bolts directly to the crankshaft , through an insulator , The trans and tork conv. is at the back. I am attempting to copy this setup . The shallow bell housing is only narrow enough to house the flywheel & starter .This allows me to get the motor as far back as possible to allow radiator clearance.An aluminum mount will be welded to the lower rear bell housing area to rest on the stock prowler mount. Right now with the engine sitting in place the new bellhousing almost touching the rear crossmember , the water pump pulley on the hemi is 1 1/2 inchs from the rad . This is not good . I cant run a clutch fan which would be the ultimate way to go . A front mounted shroud & pusher fan would have to be fabricated. The prowler rad will not work the filler necks are on opposite sides and way to small . I suppose I could move the rear crossmember back and cut and smooth the firewall a couple of inches , but their is no way i am going to wreck this car . If this cant be done without butchering the car Ill bail out and either Sell The HEMI Engine , or stuff it in my 55 Dodge convertible .Then probably supercharge the cat and some Gears.... The HEMI is a few inches narrower than the 3.5 so this is no problem ,lots of room for headers . The brake booster will have to be removed to change the left rear spark plugs , but isnt this what we had to do with our old hemis to change a valve cover gasket

This message has been edited by moparmania on 02-22-2003 at 08:42 AM

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Even with more obstacles to overcome, it sounds like it is at least feasible for you to fit the HEMI in the kat - that's great. I hope you can solve the radiator problem. How do you plan to deal with the engine controller unit communicating with the tranny computer?

Good luck - it will be fascinating to read of your ongoing progress.

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Marty Im not worried about the electronics Ive done lots of fuel inj computer changeovers to older vehicles , but the computer and harness is worked out by Street & performance in Arkansas for you .
I just wanted this to be an at Home in my garage project like my other cars. I am not rich and I suppose if a person had the cash he could send it to a fancy chassis shop and say fit this in here Ill pick it up monday ! I would love to be able to do that cause that HEMI belongs in the PROWLER !!
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Your "at home in the garage" projects are a little different from mine. For me, installing a new tach, putting on a new rear roll pan, or padding and covering the console lid are "at home projects"!

I agree that the HEMI belongs in the Prowler. It will be awesome when you finish.

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Looks like you're moving along nicely. Have you read the Prowler manual and seen the amount of interaction between the 3 computers? I come from the relative stone age of hot rodding and was amazed at the place that technology has gone to! The more I read, the more my jaw dropped. It took an amazing person or group of people to put together
the programming needed to operate our vehicle. Hat's off to them. I hope your guys have the same savvy to make this project possible for you. I think it will need more then plug and play....but what do I know?
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Moparmania, you are taking on a lot more than most would do in garage project. How/where did you get the special bell housing made. This certainly isn't a typical garage made part. I built a kit car many years ago, where I fitted a 5 liter Ford V8 into a space designed for a four banger. I also had to mount the fan in front of the radiator, and had to cut away at the firewall to make it all fit. Good luck and keep us posted.
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I am very impressed so far. I hope you can make this work. Did you by any chance take pictures with the hemi sitting in place? Good luck.
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posted 02-23-2003 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koastal Cat     send a private message to Koastal Cat   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote   Search for more posts by Koastal Cat
This sounds like an awesome project that I could only dream about.

I hope when completed Hot Rod magazine does a cover story on the your project. Plus, I hope you can then take a long vacation and tour America, I could probably name at least 11,000 people that would love to see your work of art in person.

Please keep us posted!

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What is the difference in weight between the Hemi & the 3.5L Engine?

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moparmania,
Keep going, show pictures of your problems, we might have an answer. The way you did the bell housing shows some good thinking please keep it up.
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Moparmania,
It's probably been stated before, but...
you pull this off, you'll have a LINE waiting for ya.

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Moparmania, You have stolen my idear. I just don't have the garage to do it in yet. Still working on that. I have put two blowen motors in cars in the past and I am still looking forward to trying it with a prowler. I hope you are changing the rear end to a cut down racing rear or at least the one in the C5 corvette. If not the one in the prowler will never take the torque.
I was going to try putting a hemi with a regular belhousing and short transmission set up to a cut down racing rear with very short driveshaft.If the measurments for this would not fit then go with what you have with the corvette C5 rear set up.
Well glad to see you are at it first. Please let me, and all of us know how things work out.
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If not the one in the prowler will never take the torque.

Should be interesting to see if this can be accomplished. When I was working the Plymouth Prowler Road Show back in 1997, probably the most asked question was why Chrysler didn't put a V8 in the car. The Chrysler engineeers told me that the answer to that was the transmission was already at torque capacity and that it could not handle a V8!

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to you. Hope you are making templates. Keep us posted ... there are a lot of positive thinkers on this page that can help and a lot who like myself would like to be doing what you are doing.
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CJ, if the tranny was already at torque capacity, I guess I really pushed it with the 460 ft lbs at the rear wheel that I got with the max boost setting.I'm guessing their main concern was being able to handle the power at full throttle shifts in to 4th. I think thats what caused the most tranny failures so far.
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Don't know, Al.....just telling you what they told me to give as a response to the question!

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